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These philosophers have all given meaning to life

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Sorry [I forgot] Socrates

My bible

Sorry [I forgot] Socrates

Hypatia is still my numero uno though (math, politician)

Next is Voltaire (early retirement, universal tolerance, free thinker, enlightenment, french)

Then Porphyry (theological outlook despite melancholy, vegetarian, universal tolerance, historical criticism)

Then Hierocles (synthesis of stoic, plotinian, stood up to state)

Then Jung (hooks into everything including gnosticism bridging a gap between plotinus and today, empiricism)

Then Watts (Buddhism, aware of Jung and western thought)

Then Aristotle (empiricism, survey, Alexander’s teacher, logic)

Then Plato (idealism, survey of philosophy, Aristotles teacher, pupil of Socrates, very important in the whole setup, carrier of eternal soul idea from pythagoras and by extension Jainism, Mathematician)

Then it’s up for grabs after that

They are kind of like saints to me. Socrates isnt even one of my favorites, probably why I forgot him. But I like to think he and I talk a lot and are not afraid to speak our minds.

21 distinct people here

Alcibiades is my favorite tragic (game of thrones esque) anti hero. Pericles my favorite hero. Parminedes doesnt get a mention unfortunately but without him the theory of unity wouldnt have developed. Democritus is certainly influential as well (and by extension the Stoics). Aside from Parminedes poem, there isnt much to go off of. Anaxagoras was my original favorite, then Voltaire, and now its Hypatia due to round about events reintroducing me to her as the head of the Alexandrian academy. Some might say, how can you know someone who has no writings? “Bios” as well as a lot of academic historical works. I’d pick a theme and start buying used books on amazon and use encyclopedias and whitepapers to augment my reading.

I can actually detail the entire neoplatonic line. Inbetween damascius as the last head of Athens and Justinians closure in 529. The alexandrian academy operated for 100 years more, then you have the Imperial Academy in Byzantinium (Stephanus, Theodora), but I skip that & follow the crypto Dionysius corpus then Boethius, Aquinas, then Plethon & Marcilio Ficino bridging the east west gap by reintroducing Byzantium works to the west since the inaccess of platonic works due the Arab invasion in… Alexandria. Which results in the Renaissance right around the time Byzantium falls… to ironically Muslims (nothing against them, just an east west split once more). (Voltaire) and the likes of Thomas Taylor translating similar to Ficino & then Jung delving in as well as Watts delving into Jung.

You have modern experts like [late] Jaegar, [late] Guthrie, Wallis, Dillon, Schibli, Shaw, (2nd Watts), Markus, Kingsley, Gerson, Dodds, & Butler.

But I find the middle platonic (Appuleius) period leading up to Alexandria (culminating in hellenized jewish philosophers such as Philo & Numenius & resulting in the neoplatonic tradition thru Ammonius & his students Origen and Plotinus) more fascinating than the Christian (stephanus)/muslim (avicenna) post alexandria neoplatonic period.

George RR Martin said if you liked his books. History had great stuff. I took him up on it after his 4th Song of Ice and Fire book and have been reading historical doxographies of philosophical thought augmenting with context of any academic material (encyclopedias, wars, forms of government, religions).

I forgot to mention, Thomas McEvilley and his ingenious work “Shape of Ancient Thought” which helped bridge the gap between indian and Greek thought through historically impermeable middle man Persia.

My favorite history book on the Greeks is
Terry Buckley’s
“Aspects of Greek History 750-323BC: A Source-Based Approach”
Robert Wilkens “Christians as the Roman’s saw them” introduced me to Porphyry

My favorite professor on the Greeks is Yale’s Donald Kagan and on philosophy is Yale’s Tamar Gendler

I didnt even mention Spinoza and Bruno. Spinoza (and Voltaire) I’m aware of through Durant and Spinoza (also heard via Kaku) was heavily influenced by Aristotle and neoplatonic thought. Same w Bruno

The names of the people in the pic: sapphos, diotima, aspasia, hypatia, sosipatra, theodora. Pythagoras, socrates, plato, aristotle, ammonius, plotinus, porphyry. Hypatia, hierocles, plutarch, iamblichus, proclus, damascius, voltaire, jung, watts. Hypatia is shown twice due her role as a head of an academy in the neoplatonic tradition. All were teachers or leaders in some fashion

I have a harrowing story.


Im warned about not engaging a woman I’ve had a history with before I got the job. Someone who I had a Muslim affair over. A sephardic jewish woman. I’m merely asked “you aren’t planning anything are you?” Of which I respond no.

I’m told by an att mgr that I’m not an employee but a contractor under lws. Why? I never spoke about anything like this except on linkedin where I said I was going back to work at att. Next day I mention to a senior sys admin (who I suspected was the tattle tale/spy as he was my most recent att add while at quadranet and a hard ass in general) that I thought peeps were looking at my social media. Mums the word afterwards but I clarified on social media that despite eating, working, and emailing alongside everyone, I was not an employee 

The director even made a comment about not using social media at work (3 am was when I’d make my posts)

Motive?: “I’m in meetings with brass and all I can think about are what cufflinks to bring you” me to goddess tangent on twitter while in a meeting w both my director and his vp. Oh ye I also hashtagged #usmc to tangent. She looks just like her.

Why? Because I had the distinct impression I was being honey potted and had eyes on my social media and I was just an anxious mess from too much thc in my system from chronic daily use (2 years). I texted this mgr asking for a lunch meet. He delayed one week. I made an even bigger stink afterwards for exactly 1 week cuz I felt I failed at not just 1 chance but 2 to impress him (vp). I was also bitter about losing my job last contract while my dad was sick who eventually died and verbally stated I had no loyalties to that job because of it. I quoted an athenian spartan poet about conspiracies (undetected plans that thwart an enemy are divine or something like that) before this all started too.

“They plotted evil deeds and suffered unforgettably. There is such a thing as vengeance from the gods, and blessed is the man who, being reasonable, weaves the web of the day without weeping.”

-Alcman 7th Century BCE spartan immigrant poet

From p 6 Spartan Women by Sarah B Pomeroy

Also when I made the tweets/ig posts. My director said once something about not wasting anyones time (were they looking at my posts?) as he was giving me different tasks as I was slowly being removed from the tools I was in charge of. Around that time he approached me once as if to see my reaction and just walked away.

Then what appeared to be macabre social media death threats on both instagram and facebook occur. 3 in total, I deleted the fb one block the instagram one that happened maybe 6 times in one day.

Same day I set to buy a firearm first time ever

Within the 2 weeks to clear the background check for the firearm I’m pulled over on m way home from work (still within the area of work) by the la sherrif and asked if I have anything illegal in the car. I plead the fifth, they ask why. I ask for a lawyer. Held for 45 minutes in a (thank god) visible neighborhood. My paranoia has me feeling like it was related to my social media. They let me go w a taillight ticket and afterwards I find a glowstick in the backseat but dismiss it.
Note: Sherrif equals cufflinks

Then someone at work who I’m not talking with (friends w said woman mentioned earlier, also usmc vet) stares me down the next day from across the open area who I know has connections with the police (told through said woman). Odd.

I tell everyone I pleaded the 5th to the sherrif

I would see people checking their phones before I’d come in and then stop when they see me. So I made my instagram private, feeling remorseful after the week of posts, my lead changed his behavior towards me afterwards. For example he went from saying he didnt like me to saying he wanted to help me. A peer made comments about me liking social media a lot and that whatever floats someone’s boat shouldnt be a work issue.

Then within 2 days I think I’m given a layoff notice. I make my twitter private. Someone tries to login in to my twitter the next day (email alert)

I start asking questions. There is one person (former friend at this point) who tells me that same att mgr who played dumb w me at lunch (when I tell him my therapy is about a failed friendship and I’m feeling guilty over social media posts so i say this person is a marketing major and the vp is looking for that. Aka a bone) knows my whole backstory 

The male att mgr told me it wasn’t work performance and he was surprised at the reason but they later changed the reason they gave me to lifo.

A little before I’m to be laid off. This mgr asks me when my interview w DreamWorks is. I tell him. 

A female mgr that is my friend said at lunch on my way out that the upper team had egos and that my actions were disgraceful (as opposed to the narrative of reduction in staff, last in first out).

My last day of work I told that mgr I didnt believe the reason I was given as to why I was being laid off. Apologized to said woman who said she didnt care. I’m asked for my laptop password, didnt give it to them but deleted non relevant files and left self logged in. See said woman talking to my lead who is on the phone looking at me…

I leave escorted by a long time friend who i say goodbye from my car who oddly enough opens my glove compartment and shuffles stuff around. But I dont think anything of it. Friend is a guy who had sexual relations w this woman and employed by that same director. My hunch is the low level (paying) enforcer more or less

I interview at DreamWorks where i think all is going well until they mock my skills thru an hr rep–for a desktop support role–and have the gall to ask me how I feel. The catch here is I posted on reddit on r/femdom 3 posts about dominatrix and what have you. So its entirely plausible they merely looked at my reddit history but it’s a handle and not my name directly. Tbqh I didnt want to do the 2 hr commute anyways.

Something doesnt fit 

I inquire about my old job at quadranet. I’m told they wont hire me and there director wont say why. The person I inquired to no longer speaks w me now.

3 weeks later while at a customers looking for a screwdriver I find a vial w an unknown white substance in my glove compartment. I immediately go home show my wife and a lawyer, call 4 friends for advice, then throw it away in a dumpster at a random restaurant and then blast about it on instagram. Same day I get a message from that female manager friend from att asking me a stupid server ip question. Directors social media profile goes dark, person who stared me down profile goes off facebook and linkedin (I created a new account just to look).

I made the call then and there to say f this corporate american way of life I’m going through all my stuff, selling my car, and moving my family to safety 

My guess is as a 1099, att didnt like the culture mess I was spinning on my social media (female domination dominatrix lol, hot topic. I already knew everyone was talking about her and i) after being covertly vetted for exec role (masters) or to see if I was going to talk about this woman who I was warned about not engaging before I got the job, or maybe they were just mad at that in itself as I didnt engage her and they were hamstrung. My guess is my lineup of questions to people to uncover some semblance of incongruent truths was why they asked for my password (chat history). No way to know for sure.

I’ve heard of people being blacklisted and I felt weird things were happening and felt people were not being forthcoming about it. So I didnt want to stick around and find myself homeless. I had equity and property in mexico. If these people had connections w sherrifs time to pull my parachute

A few weeks after I move. I remove all connections from att. That buddy who was in my car never spoke w me aside from me reaching out. When I went no contact. Not a peep. Yet when I was initially laid off he was heavily viewing my fb story (thanks fb for showing me who be looking)

Immature? Yes. Could I claim disability discrimination–if I wasnt 1099–for a hypersexual borderline and manic bipolar episode? Yes as I had chronic insomnia because of it which was leading to these posts as well as anxiety. Daily 3 am. Racing thoughts and multiple therapists to confirm the diagnosis.

Room 641a

Post Apocalyptic Neo Classical World View

I see the world through this split view of post neo classical (post enlightenment Greek/Roman) stance on everything. I see everything as it relates contextually to either philosophy, government, or religion from these two power houses. I’d like to expand that to minoan and phoenician influence, but they are hard to get at as they have no written record. But what I try to understand are the basic names, dates, places, and titles and major ideas and wars of these two entities. Doing so gives me a wide breadth of understanding of culture, but far beyond merely understanding medieval society. I see everything that the Enlightenment appreciated from the classical period but on a far grander scale. I mean like 600+ book scale.

Point is I’m trying and because of that I see the world almost as if a post apocalyptic version of classical times.

The biggest takeaway is I now start to see archetypes and how they exist in society today through images of saints and ideals. By reading so far into our shared collective past (western society), especially pre abrahamic faiths pretty much. Is I see an anthropological social psychological sub structure as it exists today, a zeitgeist if you will.

It’s no more different than reading a fantasy campaign from TSR in the 90’s (e.g. DragonLance), it’s just I built my own modules by building my own classics library. Arguably it’s Raistlin who I got this post apocalyptic pov from. Because in the books he was cursed with seeing everything as dead (as post dead, decayed). I carried this forward as when reading about these rich full ancient times, I understand where they are today and what’s transpired and how they affect us now and how no one else knows or sees. Everyone just sees the present.

My library mainly focuses on high level summaries of ideas along with some base level material by the big names (Plato, Aristotle, Pre-Socratics, Plotinus). Else I want extract/summaries of ideas, mainly Neoplatonism.

Critias contrasted with Marx

You know. Far right fear is Fascism. One of the greatest historical examples is Critias and the 30 tyrants who purged up to a 5% of it’s citizens.
 
Yet on the other spectrum you have failed Marxism. I almost compared to the two, Critias and Marx as similar, one was a revolutionary, where-as the other inspired others to become revolutionaries. Marx though would be considered left, where-as Cristias would be considered right. What I was seeing similar was not their ideology, but rather their consolidation of power under one entity through means of force if necessary (ends justifies the means).  I see in Critias what I see in Lycurgus which is what I see in Marx and is what I should have seen even in Plato (political ideology), even if he was more of a pacifist it seems.  Yet, more-so I equated Critias with Marx because of his criticism of religion (interestingly enough, in Lycurgus state, religion is used as a tool, same goes for Athens though through the use of cults) that I read from “Theology of the Early Greek Philosophers” by Werner Jaeger on how the gods as a pretext by the powers that be (authorities) to oversee our actions. Very similar to the impersonal attitude of “religion is the opium of the masses”.
 
I looked up in my classical encyclopedia of philosophy under Critias. How funny he is defended by Plato, yet is considered a sophist by Philostratus (170-245 C.E.). What I think was actually going on, was Sophistry was a good trade and Plato mocked it for one reason or another, but charging for money seems something to have to do with it, but I think according to Terry Buckley or Donald Kagan mentioned it’s because Plato and his like didn’t need to rely on money, so their pursuit of ideas were different, but there is a lot of competition motivation for ideas here. I tend to like Protogoras and think of him like a philosopher, and yet Plato thinks of his corrupt uncle not as a Sophist but as a philospher? I think this is just classical shit talking right here then. Which would be in line with the light that is cast on Plato by the book “The Trial of Socrates” by I.F. Stone (that Plato/Socrates were fascists and Alcibiades and Critias as well as Xenophon are good examples). Where does that put me if I claim to be a neoplatonist? Well, I certainly consider myself a democrat in the ideals of Athenian Democracy, something Plato roundly criticized. I respect Platos access to ideas, like quite literally his theory of forms. I think Plato was a good person who happened to have corrupt students and I think Socrates was an overzealous stubborn idealist who believed in putting principle before everything else. Philosophy and Sophistry are two sides of the same coin if not the same. It’s just word play, but you can extract meaning from it (Protagoras is a prime example). Philosophy is meaning extracted from ideas, where as sophistry is that ideas are easily extracted and manipulated from words. To me, sophistry is more akin to the philosophies of Phyrrhonism, wherein dialectic, you can make anything mean anything, so there is nothing to prove. But at the end, they are both belief systems about epistemology.
 
Critias approval of Sparta means he was also approving of their democratic system of govt, which was a sham of democracy (shouting match) with inciteful questions. In other words, the powers that be controlled the framing of the questions to the public of which would have to give a public response of confirmation or denial in front of each other via a loud resounding yes or no. Do you tell people who you voted for? Do you have a public and a private face?
 
‘Critias (c.460-403 B.C.E. of Athens. Sophistically inclined litterateur; associate of Socrates. An Athenian aristocrat, Critias combined a career as a versatile writer and intellectual with periods of antidemocratic political activity. With the oligarchic coup of 404, he emerged as the most bloodthirsty of the Thirty Tyrants and died battling the democratic counterrevolution. Despite tactful portraits in Plato (his nephew), he was often paired with Alcibiades as among Socrates’ most corrupt “pupils.”
Critias wrote negative recitative and dramatic poetry and verse. Prose writings include “Aphorisms,” Conversations,” and a collection of “Proemia for public speakers.”
His elegant verse shows an admiration of Sparta, along with interest in the various usages and inventions of civilization. His prose works are too little known to allow us to identify him as an original thinker, though he is said to have distinguished sensation from cognition and to have identified the soul with blood. Much attention has been drawn to a speech from the play Sisyphus, maintaining that religion was invented by a shrewd politician to insure that fear of the gods would make citizens obey the laws even when unobserved. This naturalistic, progressivist, and psychological account suggest Protogoras, Prodicus, And Democritus, yet the Sisyphus is sometimes attributed to Euripides (for the debate see Davies).
Critias is included among the sophists by Philostratus, but unlike most sophists he did not teach and was Athenian. He continues to hold the reputation he had among the ancients as a “layman among philosophers, a philosopher among laymen’ (DK88A3)
 
Yet he is a pupil of Socrates, so was Xenophon, and so was Plato

Myths Arise from Conflicting Agencies

Because I believe form pre-dates instantiations, I read history to see if I can infer patterns which have been re-applied throughout history.

I was briefly summarizing the book Who Wrote the New Testament to a friend of mine where I described Christianity as a response to two conflicting agencies: Rome and Judaism, the resulting mythology was Christianity.  I infer this from

  • Revelations being a response to Roman persecutions
  • The Roman Jewish wars which were 66 to 150 AD. Hostilities were marked since the Maccabees and ending with Bar Kokhba revolt in 150 AD.  It is generally accepted that there was a Zionist appeal before, during, and after Jesus time (to include John the Baptist).
  • Neoplatonic ideas in Christianity.

During this time of violent upheaval, Paul attempts to co-opt gentiles into the legacy of Judaism, which validates his own culture.  With the fall of the Temple/Jerusalem (70 AD) and the dispersion of the Jews as well as their works into the diaspora, Judaism–through Gentile Christianity–would stay preserved.  Judaism would later re-emerge as Rabbinic Judasim.

It is the myth that papers over–or smooths over–the conflict.  The idea is more about reconciling world-views after a conflict, a hybrid of the two former systems.  In this case, Christianity had the added benefit of taking off after the power vacuum of Western Rome falling (Bishops would take on a very prominent role during the Middle Ages), and with the East officially adopting Christianity for over a 1000 years.

What is interesting about this analogy, is myth making is a powerful tool used to shape us.  It doesn’t just apply to powerful governments and religions, but also to interpersonal relationships.  If two parties have irresolvable differences, often they tell themselves their own story (myth) to make sense of their world view.

“But social change also calls for the revision of a people’s myths.”

-Burton Mack on discussing the change from temple sacrifice Judaism to rabbinic, who wrote the new testament, p 280 (creating the christian bible).

“Accordingly we must also see natural forces in the hostile Titanic powers whom they hold in their bonds.  In this way the Titanomachy, which is one of the traditional elements in the theogenies, is given a systematic cosmogonical interpretation.  These dark forces contending against the world-order of Zas under the leadership of Ophioneus, the Snaky One (a detail that permits us to infer a chthonic origin), are vanquished and hurled into Oceanus.  It seems obvious to me that the volcanic phenomena of the Mediterranean world are responsible for this elaboration of the old Titanomachy, especially since this is the way Aeschylus and Pindar interpret the tale of the wild Typhos over whose head Zeus rolled Mount Etna.” – Werner Jaegar

Theology of the Early Greek Philosophers, pg 78

It had been my assumption that the story of the Titans was a description of the world powers that were replaced between the fall of the Mycaneans and the rise of the Greeks (i.e. the Greek Dark Ages).  It was also expressed in Jaeger’s book that sometimes the past power structure is merely a straw man to explain the current power structure.  Not sure which interpretation is more correct, but I’d lean towards actual power structures vs not considering their is so much precedent (Mack).

 

Children form soothsaying ideas when hurt

Source; https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindful-anger/201405/the-five-steps-mindfully-releasing-anger

“When children experience a trauma or an attachment wound (along with hurt feelings from it), they develop a belief and tell themselves a story about it in order to make sense of what happened and to cope. This is both helpful and a hindrance, because the story is almost always limiting and based on fear.”

4 Source Hypothesis

I don’t really expect Paul’s letters to have had an influence on the Gospels. Because the gospels seem to be devoid of Paul’s letters.

However, I do think that the Gospels do reference similar teachings that are in Paul, hence the entire creed idea.

I used two sites to compile this data (well, the pre-pauline creeds I had to do some digging on, most famous is 1st Cor 15:3-4)

Here is the summation of my work.

Mapping Out Early Christianity

I’m almost done with my book the Shape of Ancient Thought and am about to start on the book, Who Wrote the Gospels. I’ve endured countless hours of lectures by Ehrman and Dale Martin as well as read two books on early Christianity, Christians as the Romans Saw Them and How Jesus Became God. I believe I have a good understanding of how the early Christian faith got off the ground.

I believe there was a Passion Narrative, as well as a Sayings Gospel. The Sayings Gospel is obviously from Galilee/Judea, and possibly near Antioch area. It’s possible after the temple fall when the Jews were dispersed, that they went North and congregated in Antioch (this is historical, as Alexandria didn’t really hit the scene until around 150 AD, though it was a hotbed for philosophic thought which would help shape Neoplatonism as well as Origen, it makes perfect sense now that Augustine actually traveled through Alexandria to get north that he too would be sympathetic to it.

I digress. I’ve heard Matthew is Jewish

Anyways, Mark heard the passion narrative and wrote his work based on it. The passion is the crucifixion, and I’m partial to believe that no one actually witnessed the events. Which would explain why the Mary’s went to see where Jesus was buried and a story about an empty tomb was created. The city was 80 miles away, and back then it would be difficult to travel 80 miles without resources. So I suspect Mary went to visit after Jesus’ crucifixion and didn’t find a body and created the story she did, which was part of the passion narrative.

Then Mark writes his gospel, and Luke/Matthew base theirs on Mark plus the sayings gospel which are more likely authentic to Jesus himself.

Jesus teachings were apocalyptic in nature. His believers at his death probably quickly believed his failure wasn’t a failure, but his Resurrection must surely happen, and after a century when it didn’t, Christianity changed to one of salvation, mimicking the salvation cults around the Mediterranean, salvation from materialism (matter was viewed by early pre Socratic as the souls tomb). Neoplatonism which was evolving from Middle Platonism/Neo Pythagoreanism were working on an idea of freedom from reincarnations. A salvation if you will, but only when one was enlightened. Christianity would borrow this from Augustine/Plotinus.

Here is the map.

For some reason the iframe isn’t working, so I’ve included a screenshot

Here’s a spreadsheet where I document what I’m tracking

Conical Horned Hats May be Hittite in origin

Hattusa founded in 6000 BC (Vinca/Denuban Valley may have been founded as early as 8000 BC, but had their reign in 5000 BC)

Supposedly an ancient civilization approximately dated to as early as 8000 BC with their reign around 5000 BC near Sibera/Bolivia in the Denuban Valley known as the Vinca’s.

At first I thought the [Phoenicians](http://www.lebaneseconsulate.com.au/dm/articles/487_file1.jpg) had a monopoly on the hat.

Then I see [the headdress](http://www.odysseyadventures.ca/articles/knossos/knossosTitle01.jpg) on the Minoan isle of Crete at Knossos

Then I saw [it](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Canaanite_God_El.png) again referencing El, a Ugarit/Caananite Godhead figure of ancient Babylon (found in Palestine).

And of course the [Egyptian](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSa7ef0KuiuRqilar0iblfjuKbE4KavGpTLXy9r_NjY1IdB73Vb9IpoZiY) reference.

Was there a large borrowing of religious symbolism going on in the Bronze Age? Anyone know the history behind a conical headdress?

Hittite’s: http://www.hattuscha.de/02-135_42ff-345×256.jpg

similar to Serbian Opanaks

First Citizen, Rome, Alexander the Great, Divine Providence, Foundation Myths

Divine Providence, Manifest Destiny, National Sovereignty

stem from Rome’s “1st Citizen” Doctrine

which has roots in the story of Troy and how supposedly Rome was founded by Aeneas, a Trojan prince fleeing Troy. Penned by Vergil in the Epic Poem the “Aeneid” penned between 29 and 19 BC.

Concept was, the founding of the nation of Rome by Aeneas was used as a backplot to Octavian/Augstus claiming divine ruling authority over Rome when Rome transitioned from a Republic to an Imperial form of government.

Very similar to a modern day saint creation story. A spin on deifying a patron or ruling authority. Creating a myth to justify one’s rule (sounds a lot like China, North Korea, Japan). Creating gospels to back it up. Athens had an issue where Alexander the Great proclaimed himself a deity as well.

What gets more interesting… is how the Trojan War [Epic Cycle] was used as a basis for various nations to war against each other. Persia, Alexander the Great, even the fall of Constantinople, and the founding of Rome have ideas based around the legends and myths that are passed down for generations and treated as gospel. Myths can be and are used to justify and shape actions. Very similar to how Islam and Israel split off from each other from common roots. Myths and legends are used to create schisms and people act on them. It might have been unintentional, but the stories bring on a culture of their own.

What’s sad about this though… is the gospel, or epic, Aeneid… was written and used to justify ones [Augustus] rule so quickly. There was no time for the story to develop. It was mainly acted upon. Almost to create a movement. Sounds like many modern day offshoots of practicing religions.